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In this episode, Dr. Hu, my co-author of The Yan Reports on COVID-19 origin, discusses with me the recent article “Secret Warnings About Wuhan Research Predated the Pandemic.” By interviewing over 60 people and analyzing many previously undisclosed documents, Katherine Eban has done a 6-month investigation with her team and published the article in Vanity Fair.

I highly recommend that people read this article. For the first time, it reveals one of the fundamental failures of the COVID-19 pandemic in the US. On the level of national security, before the COVID-19 pandemic, the experts in the Department of Energy (US) shared their significant concerns about biosecurity in the gene-engineering field, especially the risks of malign manipulations in the dictator regimes like China, with the experts in the NIH experts. However, the feedback from the former director of NIH, Francis Collins, to the virologists in NIAID repeatedly rejected those opinions.

In meetings during the final months of the Obama administration, the longtime head of the NIH, Francis Collins, dismissed such risks as “science fiction.”

In March 2012, Collins wrote an email to members of the ferrets committee in which he acknowledged, “I am not familiar with the Biologic and Toxic Weapons Convention. Can our crack legal staff offer any opinions on this question?” The Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention, enforced since 1975, is the most significant treaty that governs the development and use of biological agents. In response, a staffer emailed her supervisor: “I can’t believe he doesn’t know what the BWC is???!!! yikes.” The supervisor replied, “It shows you how different our worlds are.”

As the primary federal agency in charge of biosecurity and counter-bioterrorism, why was NIH full of ignorance and arrogance against the warnings?

Moreover, this article broke down the political attacks that obstructed the investigation of COVID-19’s origin.

Some view ongoing questions about biosafety at the WIV as part of a Republican campaign to discredit Anthony Fauci, who led NIAID for 38 years, and to broadly attack science. But US government warnings about scientific collaborations in autocratic countries predate the pandemic and cut across partisan lines. Concerns flagged in the Obama administration persisted through the Trump administration and are being examined today. “The administration is actively engaged in a process, incorporating input from all relevant federal agencies” to “evaluate and update biosafety and biosecurity policies,” an official in President Joe Biden’s White House told Vanity Fair.

It’s significant progress and a strong counterattack. As I emphasized since 2020, the investigation of COVID-19 origin is essential to avoid future bio-attacks, which requires bipartisan efforts against CCP’s unrestricted warfare tactics.

In Feb 2023, the Energy Department concluded that the COVID-19 pandemic is most likely lab-origin from Wuhan. Unsurprisingly, the Chinese government denied the conclusion, claiming the Energy Department is unreliable compared to the zoonotic origin virologists and calling for more international scientific collaboration with China (

The NIH revolutionized science through its work on the Human Genome Project, which sought to sequence the human genome fully. That landmark achievement, launched initially by the DOE in 1990 and completed in 2003…, the Department of Energy has always been steeped in a world of threats. The DOE was also responsible for significant parts of the nation’s biosecurity until after 9/11 when much of that mission was handed off to the newly created Department of Homeland Security.

But current politics may account for only part of a more significant shift in how science calibrates risk. This “feels very 1930s to me, when atomic science was reaching a point of sufficient sophistication as to become perilous,” says Amir Attaran, the University of Ottawa biologist and lawyer. An array of governments “all understood perfectly well that the nature of the research they were undertaking was weaponizable.” But they encouraged collaboration anyway, even with German scientists who had joined the Nazi Party.

Why does CCP spend over 20 years to infiltrate and manipulate NIH (esp. NIAID) and WHO while ignoring the role of DOE in biodefense?

Why do I believe this article is a significant move toward the CCP-weaponized nature of the COVID-19 virus?

My guest this week is Dr. Hu (Twitter @baobaoxiaoliao). My colleague in the Yan Research Team – co-author of the three Yan Reports – Dr. ShanChang Hu (MD, PhD.) joined me this week. Dr. Hu is also a biomedical expert who grew up in mainland China, as I did.

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  • Dr. Li-Meng Yan

    Dr. Li-Meng Yan is a medical doctor, Ph.D. virologist and independent coronavirus expert. She was educated at two top medical schools in China, Southern Medical University and Central South University. She was also a Post-doctoral Fellow in the School of Public Health at the University of Hong Kong (HKU). Because of her extensive professional network and scientific evidence, Dr. Yan has the distinction of being the only Chinese insider in the west with firsthand knowledge about the true nature of the virus as well as the CCP’s deceptive methods used to disguise their international bioweapons research. Since escaping from Hong Kong on April 28, 2020, she has been interviewed four times by the FBI, including an FBI virologist, and each time she has been deemed credible. Dr. Yan had spent five years researching influenza vaccines when, in January 2020, she was asked to investigate the ‘Wuhan Pneumonia’ that was sweeping that city. With that, she became one of the first scientists outside the Wuhan Institute of Virology to analyze SARS-CoV-2. From her WHO H5 Reference Lab at HKU, she determined conclusively that the virus was engineered in the lab to be an unrestricted bioweapon. She also determined through her investigation that the spread of the virus in Wuhan was not the result of a “lab leak.” Recognizing the great danger posed by the virus and the CCP plot to cover up its nefarious activities, Dr. Yan fled to the United States to reveal the truth to the world. Since coming to America, Dr. Yan has been the primary author of three research reports detailing the lab origins of SARS-CoV-2. Her other accomplishments include a patent-pending universal influenza vaccine as well as highly recommended articles on SARS-CoV-2 in Nature ( and The Lancet Infectious Diseases ( Dr. Yan has attracted worldwide media attention, being interviewed by major news outlets in India, Spain, Japan, Italy, and across Asia. Examples include The Washington Post, FOX NEWS, NEWSMAX, The John Bachelor Show, The Daily Mail, Tucker Carlson Tonight, and ITV in the UK. Listen to Dr. Li-Meng Yan's show at 4 pm on Sat and Sun, and also available on podcast. You'll hear Dr. Yan's views on the latest news and interesting topics, as well as exclusive intelligence about CCP, and the World Geo-Political situation.


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